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24000 Decimal pre-ellip Machins used off paper sorted by val

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:19 am    Post subject: 24000 Decimal pre-ellip Machins used off paper sorted by val Reply with quote

As I've mentioned in the roll call section, for a charity, I've been sorting through a pile of shoe boxes of old, used GB stamps off paper that have accumulated over many years here in New Zealand. All neatly sorted into envelopes of 100 by simplified SG number. Pretty clean, with the obvious rubbish has been dumped.

Pre-elliptic decimal Machins are listed below. (Can put up NVIs and elliptics later.) As the stamps have mainly come through local churches over many years, there should be a nice diverse spread of sources not found in the UK and thus of types, phosphors, papers, printers etc. etc.

So, not your average kiloware. All up over 24,000 pre-elliptical decimal Machins with a minimum SG cat of Pound 11,000 plus.

On the list below, please let me know your offers - serious only - for any groups or for the whole lot. E-mail to: office at angmissions dot org dot nz We will add postage at cost - that's from New Zealand - and confirm total with you before dispatch. Payment via Paypal. Payment by cheque in the UK can be arranged but not preferred.

The pre-elliptic decimal list: (nos on right are nos of stamps of that value)
A. Low values:
1/2p turquoise blue (SG841 etc): 1,310
1p crimson (SG844 etc): 4,625 (yup, over 4,000)
1 1/2p black (SG848): 150
2p green (SG849 etc): 1,350
2 1/2p magenta (SG851 etc): 170
2 1/2p rose red (SG854 etc): 80
3p ultramarine (SG 855 etc): 1,300
3p magenta (SG857 etc): 400
3 1/2p olive grey (SG858 etc) 325
3 1/2p purple brown (SG860 etc) 110
4p ochre brown (SG861) 80
4p greenish / new blue (SG862, 933 etc) 460
4 1/2p grey blue (SG865) 90
5p violet (SG866 etc) 380
5p claret (SG867 etc) 310
5p red brown (SG935) 220

B. Middling values
5 1/2p violet (SG868 etc) 200
6p lt emerald (SG870) 125
6p yellow olive (SG936) 50
6 1/2p greenish blue (SG871 etc) 540
7p purple brown (SG875 etc) 700
7p brownish red (SG937) 60
7 1/2p chestnut (877) 80
8p rosine (SG878 etc) 300
8 1/2p yellow green (SG881 etc) 130
9p orange and black (SG882) 290
9p violet (SG883) 400
9 1/2p purple (SG884) 50
10p orange & chestnut (SG885) 480
10p orange brown (SG 886 etc) 1,140
10p dull orange (SG940) 50
10 1/2p yellow (SG890) 80
10 1/2p blue (SG891) 190
11p brown red (SG892 etc) 175
11 1/2p ochre brown (SG942) 75
11 1/2p drab (SG893 etc) 170
12p yellow green (SG895 etc) 330
12p bt emerald (SG896 etc) 210
12 1/2p lt emerald (SG898 etc) 475
13p chestnut (SG900 etc) 230
13p olive grey (SG944) 60
13 1/2p purple brown (SG945) 70
14p grey blue (SG902 etc) 150
14p dp blue (SG903 etc) 210
15p ultramarine (SG947) 160
15p bt blue(SG905 etc) 100

C: Higher values
15 1/2p pale violet (SG907) 120
16p olive drab (SG908 etc) 110
16 1/2p chestnut (SG950) 30
17p grey blue (SG909 etc) 125
17p dp blue (SG910 etc) 130
17p emerald (SG951) 90
17 1/2p chestnut (SG953) 80
18p dp violet (SG954) 90
18p olive grey (SG912 etc) 300
18p bright green (SG913 etc) 120
19p orange red (SG914 etc) 90
19 1/2p olive grey (SG957) 60
20p dull purple (SG915 etc) 540
20p turq green (SG959) 130
20p brown black (SG916 etc) 175
20 1/2p ultramarine (SG961) 60
22p blue (SG962) 100
22p yellow green (SG963 etc) 110
22p orange red (SG917 etc) 140
23p brown red (SG965) 50
23p bt green (SG966) 90
24p violet (SG967) 250
24p indian red (SG968) 100
24p chestnut (SG969 etc) 150
25p purple (SG970) 80
25p rose red (SG917a) Nix
26p rosine (SG971 etc) 100
26p drab (SG972) 75
27p chestnut (SG973) 70
27p violet (SG974) 40
28p violet (SG975) 75
28p ochre (SG976) 70
28p blue grey (SG977) 75
29p ochre brown (SG978) 90
29p mauve (SG979 etc) 100
30p olive grey (SG980) 120
31p purple (SG981 etc) 125
31p ultramarine (SG982 etc) 60
32p greenish blue (SG983) 50
33p lt emerald (SG984 etc) 100
34p ochre brown (SG985 etc) 190
34p bluish grey (SG986) 90
34p mauve (SG987) 60
35p sepia (SG988) 50
35p yellow (SG989) 60
37p rosine (SG990) 100
39p mauve (SG991 etc) 225
50p ochre brown (SG921 etc) 310
50p ochre (SG994 etc) 60
75p black (SG993 etc) 210

Something to do this winter!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting. Postage from New Zealand might be prohibitive.
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I frequently buy small lots from sellers and usually expect to pay less than one cent apiece for bulk lots, mostly by the kilo or the pound. (Weight)
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So one thing I would recommend would be to weigh the entire lot. Or break the whole thing into three or four lots.
Once someone cherry picks a few of the less common color/values the balance will decline in value precipitiously.
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Offhand I'd guess the 24,000 stamps would weigh just about two kilos. Of course if they are sorted in glassines or scrap envelopes the packaging might weigh as much as the stamps.

You might start out with explaining how much you feel you want to get.
I trust that you do understand that when a stamp is listed in a catalog at minimal value it means that that value is really for the labor of a professional stamp dealer going to a stock book and selecting that exact stamp for a collector. It is all overhead, the stamp by itself is technically worthless.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand about cat values: China is SG plus; Australian 'roos a good % of SG; GB mostly a low % of SG. Common stamps are near worthless unless there's specialist interest - but isn't that the idea with the Machins? I have no idea what an unusual horde like this might be worth. I am not a stamp dealer.
I've split the pre-elliptics into three groups, so folk can bid for one or all of them.
Postage from NZ is by size. By my reckoning, postage for the whole lot would be around P25-30 international economy. Individual parts from around P5.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I guess we will see if anyone expresses interest and offers anything for them.
You are right " ...Common stamps are near worthless unless there's specialist interest - but isn't that the idea with the Machins? ...", but that value only comes to the surface after the specialist utilizes his knowledge and finds some interesting variety.

Have you decided what kind of price you are expecting ? I suspect that until then you will draw a blank. I fear that you are thinking of a number that, when combined with shipping, is more than the market will bear, but that is up to you.

Lets see what develops.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the listing.

Let me address a few issues... looking at 2Kg from UK to NZ by Royal Mail (rather than the other way round) cost is between 23 and 28 so the postage suggested is definitely fair.

That was the good news.

However unfortunately it is also prohibitive. For that amount I could probably buy anything between 2-4Kg of the type listed locally.

I suggest that you would be better advertising these locally or on eBay.nz or even OZTION (or something like) - I believe this is a NZ/Aus auction site quite popular in Oceania.

I actually think you have done far too much work for the return you will get (as against what you might be expecting). In fact if you are going to realize a high return you may now need to go further and find the elusive items to advertise separately.

Most used Machin collectors actually prefer kiloware to be mixed (and indeed on paper) as the search for the "gem" is part of the fun. Although there is still an element of search here - I don't think it is quite the same thing.

There will be the odd person who may want a specific value for study purposes but that will be the exception that proves the rule.

I, for example have an almost complete study of the 4p Greenish Blue but I was lucky having started it when they were first issued so most of mine came through the mail.

You may find more buyers for the modern (elliptical and especially security) Machins than those you have listed so far which are relatively common and I say this as I have boxes of them in my loft that I have yet to get around to.

PS - I would be very happy if I am proved wrong and there is someone on this forum who wants to purchase any or all of these items .... so come on guys - the thread is open to you and the offer is there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdj1122 wrote:
Have you decided what kind of price you are expecting ? I suspect that until then you will draw a blank. I fear that you are thinking of a number that, when combined with shipping, is more than the market will bear, but that is up to you.

I meant to agree entirely with Charlie's comment above. The post suggests an expectation of realisation that I believe will not be fruitful so it would more productive if you were to give at least a range of prices you would sell for.

Let me give you an example:
Today I received an offer of "bundleware" which the above is rather than "kiloware".

17kg - 150 post paid. so less than 15 per kilo (inc delivery). I wouldn't pay that much personally but that's a published example (Rushstamps).
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice. In terms of selling in New Zealand, TradeMe is by far the dominant auction site (being better and cheaper than ebay) but I wished to check interest in the great beyond first.
I'm surprised to learn that you can easily access large quantities of quality, off paper Machins - I thought we might have an advantage there!
As indicated we also have elliptic and NVI Machins in bulk off paper (pre decimal and large format too). Nearly all values / NVI types (plus double heads) but there is no point in setting the stock out here if your members have access to so much of this stuff anyway and aren't inclined to make offers.
Couldn't follow the remark about finding 'gems'. Our material has been sorted by face value and counted into envelopes (ongoing over many years). It's for the purchaser to find the gems. I suppose I could dump all the envelopes into kiloware but then buyers might assume there were very few of the better values.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMB wrote:
" ... Couldn't follow the remark about finding 'gems'. Our material has been sorted by face value and counted into envelopes (ongoing over many years). It's for the purchaser to find the gems. I suppose I could dump all the envelopes into kiloware but then buyers might assume there were very few of the better values.

Dave wrote; " .... Most used Machin collectors actually prefer kiloware to be mixed (and indeed on paper) as the search for the "gem" is part of the fun. Although there is still an element of search here - I don't think it is quite the same thing. ..."
I think that Dave is referring to the fact that I, and many others, enjoy sifting through the clippings first, examining the cancels, where they are legible, for interesting usages from certain locales.
Sometimes a particular pair or trio of examples used together have some particular significance to a collectors.
We also, at least I, and I assume others, receive some theraputic pleasure (benefit ???) separating thousands of stamps from the paper after an initial perousal.
I have spent many, many late nights with some music in the backgrond and a full pot of re-heated coffee nearby, playing with the stamps, almost all of which are technically worthless in the hunt for something of interest. The "gem" we mentioned. And, I have to add, I have enjoyed the hightened excitement of finding something that in some strange way pleases me and fills in some blank space in my collections.
Sorting through kiloware is a labor of love and I would hate to experience the King of Navarre's Love's Labor's Lost.

By the way, we do have several members who live in your part of the world for whom the shipping cost might not be so prohibitive. However, I suspect that your apparent unwillingness to indicate to members what you expect to receive is more the cause of there being no immediate responses. If the price is right, I have no doubt that someone would be interested, but I don't think anyone here wants be the needle that bursts the bubble if your expectation is excessive.

Far too many times I have had to try to explain, as politely as possible, to someone who falls into an inheiritance of stamps that they assume must be quite valueable, that the listings they find in one of the catalogs is quite misleading if they have never read the fine print in the introduction that explains the impact of condition on the stamps they hope to sell.

I don't remember the e-address, but I recall that there is a Machin Collector's Club in Melbourne, Australia. You might take a shot in that direction.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip about the Melbourne club - I'll follow that up.
Yes, we sell Machin kiloware on paper quite successfully on the local market. It's rather sad that all that effort over the years has gone into soaking and sorting thousands of Machins when this seems to subtract value.
I don't think they are valuable but genuinely want to see if there are any worthwhile offers. Otherwise I'll sell them as off paper kiloware locally.
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