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BrianT
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Czeslaw Slania, Reply with quote

Stamp collecting seems to have slowed up a bit recently. My mint collection Victoria Jubilee to ER 2000 ( ish) has ground to a halt. One reason is finance, Mint high value earlier issues are very expensive. So to date, Edward VII and George V to SG Specialised re shades and printers with a few notable exceptions. From George V1 onwards I am complete, that is to about SG Concise standard with Machins a bit more, roughly level 1/ 1 1/2. and my Penny Red Plates seem to be stuck forever with 225 missing.

My winter project of designing pages for the Commemoratives is complete just waiting for two new albums and pages to arrive. Then it will be transfer the stamps from the Lindners. That's not going to take long.

So I have been thinking about starting another field of collecting. One that does appeal would be stamps of the Third Reich, it's an age thing. However this morning I discovered the engraver Czeslaw Slania, and was knocked out by the examples shown. Oh, Sarawak was another thought, because of the lovely Viner Brooke sets ( sp).

So kind people, any ideas? I am open to suggestions but bear in mind the project needs to be fairly small in scope and financially acceptable.

Mint or used or a mixture, now that's another consideration.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list is endless .. I too have thought of starting a 3rd Reich collection, but never got round to it. I am a member of a yahoo group who specialise in this area if you want contacts.

I am particularly fond of the East African countries (pre-Independence of course) .... Kenya, Uganda Tanganyika.

Ones to stay away from (in my view) Channel Islands/Isle of Man (cheap but certainly not investment material).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

My bet for a used Machin collection!! Very Happy

Easy to find, cheap and you hardly to stuck, (well maybe on that 17½p Evil or Very Mad ) .

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fernando did you miss the fact that I have more than enough mint Machins ( approx 2000), I don't like them used. Anyway I think I am ready to embark on something new/ different.What is difficult about X953.

Oh and before they get suggested I'm only W44ae short on the regionals.

Update on albums. The new SG Q11 arrived great, the extra pages? yes, and yet again the wrong size. These albums come with 225mm wide pages and yet loose pages bought from SG plainly marked as Q11 are 135mm I give up.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Slania collection sounds interesting. I admit to have been stuffing postally used examples in an envelope for the "SomedayIsle" file.
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The Millenium stamp for Sweden is a wonder to behold.

But the various landscapes are the most detailed engravings. At times the image seems to jump out at you.

I like fine postally used, of course. A neat light cancel that does not obscure the details makes a fine display.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One last piece of advice on choice for a new collection then I will go on to what I want to say - choose a "dead" theme which still gives you a lot of choice but you don't have to worry about keeping up with new issues...

Now then - I have come across Slania quite a lot in my collecting years but admit to knowing nothing about him except from examples of his work.

I can lok him up on a Wiki if I want to know about him, but I wouldn't mind if this thread was high-jacked to show a few more images of his work. Did he only do Sweden?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrianT wrote:
Update on albums. The new SG Q11 arrived great, the extra pages? yes, and yet again the wrong size. These albums come with 225mm wide pages and yet loose pages bought from SG plainly marked as Q11 are 135mm I give up.

Good old SG - they never let you down do they .... or should that be - they always let you down!!!! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to recall that near the end of his career he was working on the 1,000th stamp engraving and had done work for about 30 different countries.
Besides postage stamps, Slania engraved currency for several different countries as well as other miscellaneous items.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Dave, Slania did over 1000 stamp designs including some for GB, the admiral commemorative and the later coaches are two examples of his work.

Another range which might suit would be the little definitives of the colonies. You know the simple squarish issues produced by umpteen colonies, Leeward Island, St Lucia, Ceylon etc, bit Machin like in their simplicity.

Stanley Gibbons? Don't tempt me. In fact when I rang them they suggested it was impossible. Then they suggested that I should trim them to size. Now that would be interesting, these pages have a printed grid, the only side you could trim would be to remove a strip including the ring binder holes. I wouldn't mind but these Q11 aren't cheap, but SG seem to think they are doing you a favour even speaking to you. And as I had experienced the same problem before when I ordered them I asked specifically for them to be checked. Totally unnecessary was the 'down the nose' retort.

Sorry for the echo Charlie I was typing at the same time albeit a little slower.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I gave up stamps for about ten years (only to rediscover I was born to collect Machins this year) I specialised in KGVI Commonwealth. The Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika set is a very fine one to collect - a few items are a little dear, but there is little in the hundreds of pounds mark, and you can spend years collecting the various plate wears/flaws/retouches on the 1c value (which is fairly cheap still!). Another area that I always found fascinating was South Africa during the same time period - there are a couple of very exepsnive stamps, but most are gettable, and there are lots of different shades and printings to collect of the lower values, with different screens and printing methods livening things up. The War benefit series also was made in a bit of a hurry and suffered from loads of flaws, which are fun and fairly cheap to collect. I am almost talking myself into collecting these again! No, still have a long way to go with Machins...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

Slania? OK a good site about it.

http://www.slaniastamps-heindorffhus.com/index.html

I copy a old post.

This Great Britain issue has been the Slania“s best work.
Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy




Fernando Moscoso
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PS.By the way, I got a scanner, now I have to find where I drop the Machins to put images on my old post Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My collection bug was probably started when I inherited my Dad's East Africa & Rhodesia/South Africa collection. Still got them somewhere...lovely stamps.

Another country that has many fine engrave-design stamps is Denmark...I did toy with this collecting option a few years ago.....but didn't get beyond the maybe stage.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ones to stay away from (in my view) Channel Islands/Isle of Man (cheap but certainly not investment material).


No they have little appeal..

But funnily enough I find your mention of investment interesting.

My collecting mania is done with no interest whatsoever in any financial gain in the future. I collect to please me, when I shuffle off this mortal coil I suppose like everything else the collection will end up with a charity, it won't be my worry.

O.K. this might have downsides, no relatives, no kids, but it does mean I can collect for me, with no eye or consideration given to the next generation. Selfish? Perhaps.


Many years ago I had a good friend, no name dropping, but he built up the one of the finest collection of Victorian stamps that has ever been. Part of it forms the basis of the National Postal Collection.....part of it.
I remember him once showing me his latest acquisition, a large block of Penny Blacks with a signature of approval R.Hill. Financial investment, no he wanted them the cost and future value didn't come into it. Oh and his ' swaps collection' went to funding Sussex University. Obviously I am not in his league but his philosophy of a 'true collector' can be followed, ownership is enough.

As a P.S.

Some here will have noted that I have been busy mounting up my commemorative collection, hate the things but the wretched strips of stamps drive me barmy, in fact I considered cutting them up. I wonder how my old friend mentioned above felt about it.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote this short "credo" some time ago in a letter to a friend and have lifted it to be posted in forums. I might even have posted it here in which case I apologize for the redundency.

But it explains my feelings.

My decision to collect postally used stamps was made almost fifty years ago and has not been regretted and it came with a companion decision. I plan to die before my collection comes up for sale and let someone else worry about what it is worth. I have left informational instruction sheets explaining how the stamp market works and what I have accumulated in the hope that one of my children or grandchildren will be able to do more than hold a garage sale on a rainy Saturday morning.
I have had the pleasure of ownership. I have had the excitement of the chase and the thrill of success as some interesting addition completes a page, or even better, a series of pages. I have long benefited from the knowledge of other cultures, of the details of printing and production that even the most oblivious accumulator is exposed to in his collecting habits.
Then there is the vicarious enjoyment of visiting faraway lands that I will never actually see, or of mentally returning to places that I have visited in my youth when I traveled extensively. And last but by no means least. I have found friendship and sometimes, companionship in the numerous friends whom I have met or corresponded with from all corners of this world. These things can neither be quantified nor taken away easily. They also cannot be sold in a box or an album to another person. But to me that is the true value of stamping.

Some years ago there was an article in the then current Life Magazine that told the story of several more or less wealthy
(Translation: Filthy rich) stamp collectors and illustrated some of the gems in their possession. One very well known collector, in explaining why he traveled around the United States and sometimes the world, purchasing rare and unusual stamps for his voluminous collections, upon being interviewed in 1954, said in response to a question as to why he was so motivated; "You do not know what stamps can do to a man." Many times, especially after I resumed the hobby, I thought about the meaning of those words and their inherent truth. Most people do not understand why these little pieces of paper create such interest and in truth, I cannot think of why, or how, they manage to mesmerize men and women so completely. But I know that they do so.

For some stampers financial gain is as important as the less quantifiable benefits I mentioned.
I understand that.
I suppose all of us have a secret hope that something that we collect will eventually have some value above and beyond what we paid for it or the value of the effort we spent looking for it. That is a part of being human.
But to me the benefits and rewards are more attainable.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very,very well put Charlie.

Brian
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re Stanley Gibbons, at the end they turned up trumps replaced everything and even paid the postage..............thanks Lesney you are a star.

But re the new collection the die is cast.

As I have said before my main interest re stamps is making up albums. So,it's going to be The Third Reich 1933-45 including all the occupied/ annexed territory.This is going to provide a wonderful opportunity for writing up those turbulent years with stamps providing the illustrations. Idid think about collecting only used I thought they might be a little more personal, then I fell on a complete MNH complete set 1939-45 and the decision was almost made for me.

Dave any chance of the address you mentioned?

Brian.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good choice Brian - go and join here.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Third_Reich_Stamps/

The only thing I have against this group is that all responses are "moderated" so when you respond to something it may be a while until the moderator decides to publish it.

I believe this changes once you have proved yourself not to be a "spammer" or such like.

I don't know enough about the era to be much of a contributor - much more a lurker unless the subject is very general and I can help.

There are quite a few very knowledgeable people on there but be careful if purchasing from some of the dealers who are on the periphery as I have seen some strange goings on.

Oops - nearly forgot to mention - once you have joined they have a number of files that includes albums you can download.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can there be so much confusion over that Slania masterpiece?
It was his 1000th stamp which is in the title - 1000e (similar to the German 1000er for 1000th).
Just look at the size of it Wink
I have a fair amount of Slania material now and am looking to create custom pages probably using albumeasy.
Most of his items can be picked up really reasonably priced and often can be found in kiloware.
I bought a load of Swedish booklets which I think contain some of his best work late last year for around £1 each.
So my vote goes to.......German Reich Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Slania and Queen Elizabeth II Reply with quote

Dear friend:

I“m a Slania collector and I have duplicated the essya of the portrait of Queen Elizabeth II who Slania made for a british banknote.
If any of you is interested, please, write me to vicensellos@gmail.com

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