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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Specialised or Specialized or Not. Reply with quote

Is anyone else noticing the over-use of the word "specialised", however it is spelled, on eBay recently.

It appears if there is more than one stamp on a card it is a "specialised collection" Laughing Laughing

This one is a great example of what I am talking about! Cool

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152461181386?ul_noapp=true



I suppose it is the fact that they are only from Wales that makes it specialised. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

For those of us genuinely searching for specialised issues it is a PITA. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Use of words on eBay Reply with quote

Another good word that is often used on eBay is 'RARE'. It is surprising what some vendors think is rare and the prices that are being charged. By checking what others are selling first would help as quite often these so called RARE items are not rare at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do tend to use "scarce" or "hard to find" on a very few of my listings, but it is VERY few and usually, because I know it is true!!! Cool

Try finding a mint 2011 pre-FSC Booklet of 6 (with 2012 stamp programme on inner cover) or a Large 2nd Class Business Sheet from 2010 or even a single come to that. Rolling Eyes

Are these rare, probably not, but they are hellishly difficult to come across.

I would imagine that on a postally used basis the Large 2nd class above may be rare, it depends on your definition.

Then again we have the eBay user who has a "rare specialised" and neither are true! Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,
The book you refer to, the 2011 pre-FSC Booklet of 6 with the 2012 stamp programme on the inside front cover must be 'RARE' or even 'Scarce'. I have never heard of this one. The only 6x1st class books with the 2012 Stamp Programme on the inside cover that I have all have the FSC logo on the back cover. Where did you get the information on this one from?
I do have singles of the 2nd class 2010 business sheets but very few so yes I agree with you regarding this one. This was a strange one as when these were printed by Walsall many 1000's of sheets must have been produced so where did they all go to? Maybe they all ended up in parts of the country where there are very few collectors. I guess we will never know.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one of these or at least a part one as I stupidly used it for singles not realising how scarce (rare!) it would become....

Hampstead Castle actually list it as:

MB8ca 'MSIL'+'M11L' 2011 35.00
Cyl W5(W1)W1 36.00

with the following being the re-issue WITH the FSC logo and they appear to have some in stock.

MB8e 'MSIL'+'M11L' FSC Logo 2011 11.00
Cyl W5(W1)W1 11.50

Note the price difference although of course the stamps within both versions are the same.!!!!!!

PS; ...not quite sure what has happened to MB8d which doesn't seem to exist. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,
You referred to a 6x1st class book earlier as a pre-FSC Booklet with the 2012 stamp programme on the inside front cover. This is not MB8ca which is a totally different book. The only book I know of with the 2012 stamp programme on the inside front cover is MB8e. Can you show a scan of the book you have even though you have used part of it for singles. The book you have described has never been reported and it would be good to get it listed by the MBPC if possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, well I never claimed to be an expert, don't tell me I have been searching (for about two years!!!) for a booklet that doesn't exist. I am not at home right now but I will check this out when I get back on Wednesday and if it is what I thought it was I will put an image up. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

In the meantime ... do you have a copy of what you think MB8ca is?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have a copy of what is known as MB8ca. The reason I say 'known as' is because SG do not list this as MB8ca. They just list MB8c which has the MA10 year code. MB8ca is exactly the same but with M11L year code. SG just list this as a foot note. I think the letter 'a' has been added by various dealers so as to differentiate between MA10 and M11L books which does make sense as SG do not do this in all cases.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi

sorry for asking silly questions, im just trying to work out what you lot was referring to by the large 2nd class stamps. so its not the whole business sheet, its just the top bit with the first row of stamps ?
is this the stamp you're referring to

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SB8-11-A-30-09-10-MBIL-MA10-2nd-Class-Large-Business-Header-/191976688715


and a single



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U2969-MA10-MBIL-2nd-Class-Large-Machin-from-Business-Sheet-/191489557185


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
It is the whole of the particular printing of the 2nd class large business sheet with year code MA10 which is scarce. The top panels as they are known is what most collectors want as this shows what the stamps are and on the reverse of this panel is the printing date when it was produced by Walsall and a Sheet Serial Number which can help to work out how many sheets are around. These appear to be the best way to collect them without having either 50 large stamps or 100 of the small size stamps.
As I said earlier this printing never turned up in any great quantity which is why the one you have found on eBay is the price it is.
Hope this is of some help.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, you got a great answer from chester-cat to a good question.

Please remember - there is no such thing as a stupid question on this forum.
If any member needs to know something - ask - no-one is going to castigate you or any other member for that.

PS.. In my opinion only - I think 285 is a bit over the top for the header but we will see if it sells or not.
The singles at 7.50 are a relatively good price to be honest.

The interesting thing is it says that he has sold, as of today, 115 (singles) so that probably means at least 3 complete business sheets of 50 have passed through his hands, which sort of reduces the scarcity (of singles at least).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting point about the vendor having sold that many singles. He must have been one of the lucky ones to find them or at least manage to get some from somewhere.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, drifting back to the original topic, I noticed in the original eBay listing is also described as a "specialized collection" which I suppose is due to there being more than five stamps in the lot.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: 2nd Large Business Sheet Reply with quote

With reference to this Business Sheet MA10 I have heard that the reason why they have not appeared in large quantities is because they were sent to a Travel Agents distribution center of a well known high street company. When branches wanted batches of stamps they send their orders to this center, so when the center wanted a large order of 2nd class large stamps to replenish their stock the RM sent them those printed Business Sheets, this may not be true but it does explain the shortage and I know that these branches do order there stamps this way from a central hub, another theory perhaps but a plausible one. And I have searched for this sheet for years and have never found one in any branches, I do have a one but paid a dear price for it. But I live in hope as I have come across many old issues on my visits to Branches.
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