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What Catalogue / Handbook / Information base is most useful
Deegam
82%
 82%  [ 14 ]
SG Concise
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
SG Specialised
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Stoneham
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Michel
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Machin Collectors Club
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Connoisseur
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Other (please state witihn thread)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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Gooner
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: What Catalogue / Handbook / Information base is most useful Reply with quote

Trying to gauge the use of the different catalogues/handbooks across the membership. A chance for member lurkers to put their point of view or even broaden it out by asking questions.

What I am interested in is your primary choice if (like me) you use more than one.

It would be interesting if you wanted to add the attractions of your choice or the detractions of those you don't like.

I'll leave the poll open for a month to try and gather as many responses as possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea Dave - however I'm not aware of any other source of varieties and constant flaws for pre & post decimal Scottish regionals as well as QE2 commemoratives. Any suggestions from other members? I may have to stick with SG and make amendments as I go along.

Alex.

(PS - bad defending and result in LCF. When are your team going to win anything with this manager?)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex - you might want to go and post this in the poll.


On your second point - I am still in denial.... we still have 3 competitions left this year. I just knew someone would remind me about it... you should see my facebook page.... heard from people I thought were dead for years.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote (if it was accurate - the volume not my vote!) would be the SG Specialised. Putting aside the well discussed issues with Vol4 Pt2, I will assume (unless advise differently) that the pre-decimal volume is correct. Mine is a 70's issue bought second hand on abebooks.com. Numerous specialised dealers seem to have different slants on levels of specialism. Can I refer all to my Q in earlier message regarding documented sources (apart from SG) of varieties and constant flaws? I have no experience with other reference catalogues.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex - experience in other catalogues doesn't matter - we are just trying to determine the most popular.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that anyone who knows me, even if only by postings here, would be surprised at my vote for the Deegam Handbook for just about the most comprehensive assembly of details about the Machin issue.
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The Deegam Handbook does not consider minor shades because, as we all must realize, shades are rather subjective and in truth subject to change from exposure to light and other elements. One man's Crimson is another man's Magenta or rosy red.
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So, when I look for shade listings or minor plate flaws not at the level of a separate Deegam Number, I use the SG Specialized. That is why I was so upset when, first, SG went back from the handy and flexible looseleaf version to a bound issue, and second, by the extremely numerous errors in the listings of the newest printing that have been uncovered.
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One other thing about the Deegam Handbook is that it is essentially two books (Even on disc)
Volume Two contains the listings which in themselves are well worth the cost. However, what was Volume One in the paper version; the chapters and appendixes, contains the most comprehensive explanations of the way stamps are produced, not just Machins, and how the lists are organized so that a single Machin stamp can be identified.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: colour changes ... Reply with quote

there is quite a range between printers ... /compare shades in DG booklets and SAP ... best to compare actual machins on a card. going from 1 source to another ... web, catalog, etc there are differences for same object ...

SG renumbers too often, forcing remake of pages ... cheers

cdj1122 wrote:

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The Deegam Handbook does not consider minor shades because, as we all must realize, shades are rather subjective and in truth subject to change from exposure to light and other elements.

So, when I look for shade listings or minor plate flaws not at the level of a separate Deegam Number, I use the SG Specialized.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

" ... So, when I look for shade listings or minor plate flaws not at the level of a separate Deegam Number, I use the SG Specialized ......." to determine if there are such listed shades discovered by others.
Then, to observe the stamps , yes, a comparison between examples at hand is invalueable.
It is also helpful to know that there are shades of one particular color/value already discovered and listed, so that a sharp eye can be used in the search.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: shades ... Reply with quote

cdj1122 wrote:
" ... So, when I look for shade listings or minor plate flaws not at the level of a separate Deegam Number, I use the SG Specialized ......." to determine if there are such listed shades discovered by others.
Then, to observe the stamps , yes, a comparison between examples at hand is invalueable.
It is also helpful to know that there are shades of one particular color/value already discovered and listed, so that a sharp eye can be used in the search.


charly, some profiles are marked "shades" , others defined ... bright/dull etc
the key to all are DP SAP COIL examples in HB4 ... most colour vars are clear on inspection ... they are also sourced or coded to cyl, dp/pos, sap ... coil

subjective definitions are extra ...

I gave up on SGS some years ago, after setting up my collection based on U# ... sgs v2 , then renumbering of v3 caused confusion and added work

SG needs a new dbase guy, wha ?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well at time of posting we seem to be overwhelming Deegam users as our "priority" handook. Not surprising really as it is the informative.

What is surprising is that with 150+ members only 15 have taken the time to vote. Thank you to those.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not exactly sure what your point is or if it is a question. However, to expand the discussion, in Chapter 3 pages 13-14 of the Machin Bible, the author has explained his feeling about the existance and listing of shades.


" .....Shades make an attractive sideline to any specialized collection. Unfortunately there is no universally accepted and unambiguous system for naming shades with certainty that collectors can identify them from the description alone. Even if the viewing conditions are the same, colour perceptions are not uniform and one person's 'bluish grey' will be another's 'grey blue' or even 'steel blue'. ...........................
Neverless, some strikingly different shades have occurred and it is very worthwhile to include a representative selectiom of them in even a moderately specialised collection ....."

and further;
" ..... In most cases, therefore, this Handbook contents itself to draw attention to the existance of collectable shades by the use of the word 'shades' in the Notes column of the catalogue entries, without attempting to describe them (save in a few agreed instances).
Where, however, a marked shade has been the subject of official comment or can be attributed to a deliberate change of plates used, or from an acknowledged error in production, it is separately listed with an explanatory footnote......"

That chapter "Colours" is a very interesting source of information about every aspect of the colors chosen to be used in the Machin series as well as the way the printing processes affect colors.

Gibbons however does list the shades known to exist by naming its perception of color in words, and thus lists more shade varieties.

For some time I have been accumulating examples of every shade I can find. Some would be among those noted by Deegam. Some would be what Gibbons has listed in its Specialised Catalog. And many others are what my eyes detect in the clear sunlight (I recall one comment from someone who mentions that natural light might not be the best choice.) I realise that often a color variation may be due to prolonged exposure to light, especially sunlight or even some chemical reaction intentional or inadvertant. However, if I can see it as different, I set it in the "Color" album and if enough similar examples of that stamp in that shade show themselves I consider it to be an additional variety.
Eventually, I do not know when, possibly depending on how long I survive in this world, I would like to create a master list. I suspect that with only a few exceptions, mostly issues with very limited periods of usage, almost all the level two and most level three will have shade variations, virtually doubling the number of potential stamps in the collection.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

Was away of stamps for a while, up to raise some funds at paypal for more Machins Kiloware, bad decision, they cheat me my money, anyway is not the topic, but be careful with paypal. Mad

Still on Level 1,
No Deegam, No SG Specialized, No UV Lamp, bad Eyes and Tongs, and No money (thank you Paypal).
But you know now maybe I had more than 20000 Machins Shocked yes, yes is not enough, sure you had more.

I got a old SG Concise and a new scanner Rolling Eyes what more for collect a used Machins level 1?

If you collect Machins needs Deegam, same for Stanley Gibbons UK, Michel Germany , Yvert et Tellier France, etc, etc, all people here knows this but...

a virtual catalogue qualified for your poll?

My vote was always for the Robin Harris site, of course. And more with his "Simplifying the Machins sorting criteria tips" and "Album Pages" PDFs.

Im not a full Machins nuts yet, to buy a Deegam, my heart pulls more for Machin Kilowares instead the best catalogue, Very Happy

FM

PS. Yes, i do not how work my English spell checking plug in.
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